The Immigration Debate

Immigration

At some point the focus of the nation will return to the immigration debate here in America.  And when it does, I’ll continue to be confused.  For the life of me, I don’t understand the positions of each side of the debate.

So, here are my questions:

  1. Why is the current debate limited to those people here illegally?
  2. Why, in general, do we limit immigration at all?
  3. If we do limit immigration, why do we limit it in so many stages?
    1. Green Card
    2. Student Visa
    3. Citizenship
  4. How are the numbers decided on?

Personally, we have TONS of room here, not only for anyone that wants to live here in America but literally, every one in the world:

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We have the room.

So LET THEM IN!

15 responses to “The Immigration Debate

  1. Yes, please! 🙂 I don’t understand it either. It’s frustrating to play 100% by the rules, be generating business and jobs, and abide by the law 100% of the time while in the US and yet be put behind and be a distant second class to those who are only taking from the system, breaking those rules and laws each and every day they are here and then acting like they are entitled to do so simply because their own country sucks at home..

    Let the rest of us “legitimates” in. Let us start our businesses properly and hire Americans like we want to. Also, let us pay for health insurance like we would if made a condition of being here until citizenship. Many if not all of us would jump at the chance.

    • It’s frustrating to play 100% by the rules, be generating business and jobs, and abide by the law 100% of the time while in the US and yet be put behind and be a distant second class to those who are only taking from the system, breaking those rules and laws each and every day they are here and then acting like they are entitled to do so simply because their own country sucks at home..

      So, the frustrating aspect of the republican argument is that they don’t want people to come in.

      The frustrating aspect of the democrat’s argument is that they only wanna fix the population that is here illegally – no other fix to the system.

      Sheesh.

  2. In a perfect world borders would be irrelevant, nationalism non-existent, and people would be free to work wherever they could find a job, and invest wherever they could turn a profit. I think we’re moving that way, albeit slowly.

    • In a perfect world borders would be irrelevant, nationalism non-existent

      I haven’t done enough reading to have serious thought about that. However, my first take is to think that we need countries like we need states.

      Not all people wanna live under the same government.

      And that should be okay.

      eople would be free to work wherever they could find a job, and invest wherever they could turn a profit.

      I have no problem with a Mexican or a Canadian to work in America and live in America. No FICA but no SS when they age. State and Federal taxes apply but perhaps no unemployment benefits.

  3. “I have no problem with a Mexican or a Canadian to work in America and live in America. No FICA but no SS when they age. State and Federal taxes apply but perhaps no unemployment benefits.”
    Me and those I know in similar situations to my own would have no problem with what you suggest above. Keep in mind, too, that we’re not in America to take jobs, but rather create them. No government safety nets, handouts, or support? No problem. Being entrepreneurial we’re probably not to keen on those things in our own country anyways. 😉

  4. “Why, in general, do we limit immigration at all?”

    Because the rate of cultural assimilation is finite, especially when immigrants cluster in insular ghettos. Also, the reality of human biodiversity requires a certain level of out-breeding among immigrants. Thus, it takes a few generations.

    “If we do limit immigration, why do we limit it in so many stages?”

    The process requires a thorough housecleaning. Don’t think you’ll get much of an argument there.

    “we have TONS of room here”

    The issue is not unimproved acreage, but modern infrastructure. Plucking someone from the third word and dropping them in a thriving city is a huge gift, even if they were to just beg on median. It takes time to build more infrastructure, to pull more resources out of the ground, etc. all at considerable cost.

    • Because the rate of cultural assimilation is finite, especially when immigrants cluster in insular ghettos.

      I’m willing to buy that. And I’m sure that there are other reasons.

      I just wonder if we are “right enough” in our number.

      Plucking someone from the third word and dropping them in a thriving city is a huge gift, even if they were to just beg on median. It takes time to build more infrastructure, to pull more resources out of the ground, etc. all at considerable cost.

      I’m less likely to buy this one though; there is little doubt that we have room given the large illegal population here already.

  5. ‘I just wonder if we are “right enough” in our number.’

    Given our current male unemployment rates, we appear to have plenty — in fact, I would suggest that Bezos and Zuckerburger should look at hiring them first instead of demanding FedGov to import more offshore labor.

    • Given our current male unemployment rates, we appear to have plenty

      The reasons for high unemployment have roots in other problems.

      I would suggest that Bezos and Zuckerburger should look at hiring them first instead of demanding FedGov to import more offshore labor.

      Those guys need graduate degree’d individuals. Not day laborers.

  6. Glad to see we’re still OK here with calling them illegal aliens

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